1 00:00:22,190 --> 00:00:09,090 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:30,060 --> 00:00:25,200 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:34,229 --> 00:00:30,070 episode number 256 for the 15th of sep 4 00:00:36,780 --> 00:00:34,239 tember 2013 Richard Saunders and Fred 5 00:00:40,110 --> 00:00:36,790 the cat coming to you from Sydney 6 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:40,120 Australia on this week's show I go for a 7 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:42,130 stroll through the botanic gardens with 8 00:00:50,190 --> 00:00:45,370 dr. Pamela gay and we discuss Cosmo 9 00:00:51,810 --> 00:00:50,200 quest and look at ducks and eels very 10 00:00:53,670 --> 00:00:51,820 exciting coming up at the top of the 11 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:53,680 show following that it's a week in 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:55,090 science from our good friends at the 13 00:01:01,040 --> 00:00:58,570 Royal Institution of Australia a very 14 00:01:04,289 --> 00:01:01,050 popular segment a week in science and 15 00:01:06,929 --> 00:01:04,299 after that I catch up with a dear friend 16 00:01:10,230 --> 00:01:06,939 of mine from the skeptics guide to the 17 00:01:13,739 --> 00:01:10,240 universe Evan Bernstein Evan tells us 18 00:01:15,809 --> 00:01:13,749 about the early days of SGU and what it 19 00:01:18,450 --> 00:01:15,819 was like to work with Perry DeAngelis 20 00:01:20,969 --> 00:01:18,460 then I have a chat to Kevin Davies the 21 00:01:22,679 --> 00:01:20,979 president of the Canberra skeptics who's 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:22,689 going to fill us in a bit more about the 23 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:25,450 upcoming national Australian skeptics 24 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:27,369 convention looking forward to that and 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:29,920 to round off the show Maynard spooky 26 00:01:35,550 --> 00:01:32,770 action with the mystery investigators at 27 00:01:38,219 --> 00:01:35,560 the powerhouse museum a bed of nails 28 00:01:40,139 --> 00:01:38,229 spoon bending water dividing what more 29 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:40,149 could you want now as my voice is 30 00:01:45,179 --> 00:01:42,609 failing me a little bit because earlier 31 00:01:46,889 --> 00:01:45,189 on this evening i was at skeptics in the 32 00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:46,899 pub where our special guest was Pamela 33 00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:49,920 gay and well talking to so many people 34 00:01:55,260 --> 00:01:52,479 does affect the vocal cords would never 35 00:01:57,389 --> 00:01:55,270 mind just before we get into the show a 36 00:02:00,300 --> 00:01:57,399 quick mention I'd like to thank the 37 00:02:03,569 --> 00:02:00,310 sceptical society of San Luis Missy run 38 00:02:06,779 --> 00:02:03,579 blue for sending me in the post are a 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:06,789 beer glass with their logo on it wow 40 00:02:11,940 --> 00:02:09,250 what an unexpected a nice present that 41 00:02:14,220 --> 00:02:11,950 was so folks if you are innocent Lewis 42 00:02:16,590 --> 00:02:14,230 area why not check them out the 43 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:16,600 skeptical Society of st. Louis look them 44 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:18,910 up on Google what a wonderful group of 45 00:02:22,259 --> 00:02:19,840 people thanks 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:22,269 optical society of San Luis I really 47 00:02:28,050 --> 00:02:25,810 appreciate that ok now I'm going to run 48 00:02:30,509 --> 00:02:28,060 downstairs and actually I'll yes I'll 49 00:02:32,750 --> 00:02:30,519 fill up that glass a lovely skeptical 50 00:02:38,130 --> 00:02:32,760 society of some Louis glass with them 51 00:02:39,660 --> 00:02:38,140 with an orange juice yeah but that's 52 00:02:58,660 --> 00:02:39,670 where I need at the moment well I do 53 00:03:03,970 --> 00:03:01,540 what an absolutely wonderful afternoon 54 00:03:05,740 --> 00:03:03,980 it is here in Sydney Australia I'm in 55 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:05,750 the Royal Botanical Gardens near the 56 00:03:13,570 --> 00:03:09,110 Opera House the harbours over there on 57 00:03:15,460 --> 00:03:13,580 my left my writer lovely rolling green 58 00:03:19,690 --> 00:03:15,470 gardens and trees and birds in the sky 59 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:19,700 and ducks in the ponds in lovely laughs 60 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:22,450 you here is dr. hammer gay hello summer 61 00:03:28,809 --> 00:03:25,250 alerted how are you doing today I'll 62 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:28,819 have me a terrible day tomorrow now only 63 00:03:33,340 --> 00:03:30,769 a wonderful time it's just it's such a 64 00:03:36,490 --> 00:03:33,350 peaceful afternoon here in the Botanic 65 00:03:39,309 --> 00:03:36,500 Garden it really is we saw a cockatoo I 66 00:03:41,380 --> 00:03:39,319 I like knew that they existed as wild 67 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:41,390 animals but I've never seen one is a 68 00:03:45,250 --> 00:03:43,730 wild animal before I'll see if we can 69 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:45,260 find some more for you I think I can 70 00:03:50,050 --> 00:03:47,510 hear some oh hello there's a statue of a 71 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:50,060 half-naked woman who's looking rather 72 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:52,610 ashamed of her half naked status as 73 00:03:57,670 --> 00:03:55,610 she's at a for candy yeah that's an 74 00:03:59,140 --> 00:03:57,680 awkward statue it is awkward and she's 75 00:04:01,210 --> 00:03:59,150 sort of trying to cover herself up and I 76 00:04:03,580 --> 00:04:01,220 don't know who she is but we'll leave 77 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:03,590 her there to meet you look shocked how 78 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:08,000 dare you look at me now pal are you oh 79 00:04:11,349 --> 00:04:09,590 it's that little bird is that a little 80 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:11,359 bit i just saw no it's just a leaf in 81 00:04:14,970 --> 00:04:13,130 the ground but there are lots of little 82 00:04:18,069 --> 00:04:14,980 birds hopping around here dachshund 83 00:04:21,250 --> 00:04:18,079 let's stroll by this big duck pond over 84 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:21,260 here you've been on an interesting sort 85 00:04:25,930 --> 00:04:22,940 of whirlwind trip of Australia haven't 86 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:25,940 Oh Australia New Zealand boat yeah yeah 87 00:04:31,270 --> 00:04:28,490 it's it's been amazing to see the north 88 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:31,280 at Island fly over the South Island and 89 00:04:38,350 --> 00:04:33,110 now i'm told that this is called the 90 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:38,360 west island yeah that's right it's been 91 00:04:45,370 --> 00:04:41,120 an amazing I'll trample the Big Island 92 00:04:48,940 --> 00:04:45,380 too yes yes and getting to see so many 93 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:48,950 different birds and plants and and other 94 00:04:54,340 --> 00:04:51,650 things that I've never seen before while 95 00:04:56,290 --> 00:04:54,350 getting to talk about the science of the 96 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:56,300 sky that we all share that's the same 97 00:05:01,810 --> 00:04:58,610 for all of us it's just been this great 98 00:05:03,460 --> 00:05:01,820 dichotomy yeah now we've just come 99 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:03,470 around the corner here we're in front of 100 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:05,210 them the main pond they called here in 101 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:06,810 the Botanic Gardens there are lots of 102 00:05:12,020 --> 00:05:09,690 ducks swimming around as a weird sort of 103 00:05:16,090 --> 00:05:12,030 burden nibbling something down there 104 00:05:19,340 --> 00:05:16,100 come is busy taking photographs and 105 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:19,350 there's a classic very ducky looking 106 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:21,090 duck just over there our lovely 107 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:24,510 beautiful Mallard yeah and there's a 108 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:26,460 very creepy looking big black bird 109 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:28,710 sitting there hiding its head yeah yeah 110 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:31,410 and the Ducks going after it now oh did 111 00:05:34,879 --> 00:05:32,910 you see that yeah that was I think 112 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:34,889 that's um an eel or something there are 113 00:05:38,690 --> 00:05:37,320 ears oh good lord oh yeah yeah and they 114 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:38,700 eat little duckling so I I now 115 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:40,500 understand where Loch Ness was inspired 116 00:05:46,670 --> 00:05:44,130 yeah look and it just in front of us now 117 00:05:50,870 --> 00:05:46,680 see that disturbance no uh-oh creepy 118 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:50,880 stuff baby stuff oh there it goes again 119 00:05:55,940 --> 00:05:53,400 and again it looks like it's chasing the 120 00:05:59,180 --> 00:05:55,950 duck i yes you might see a murder going 121 00:06:02,090 --> 00:05:59,190 on I'm used to pond stocked with 122 00:06:04,820 --> 00:06:02,100 goldfish rather than eels yeah always 123 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:04,830 look this one look oh my god we're 124 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:06,330 walking down to the water now and 125 00:06:10,580 --> 00:06:08,610 there's a giant eel right in front of us 126 00:06:13,219 --> 00:06:10,590 ladies and gentlemen I'm not sure it's 127 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:13,229 so much an eel is a very elongated fish 128 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:16,260 that still has fins but yeah does this 129 00:06:22,159 --> 00:06:18,810 will be going up on Google+ later isn't 130 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:22,169 that besides it's a good half meter long 131 00:06:31,010 --> 00:06:27,450 and the staying now yeah Wow right in 132 00:06:32,719 --> 00:06:31,020 front of us numbers and those 133 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:32,729 disturbances you can see in the water I 134 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:34,890 think their heels that are popping 135 00:06:38,719 --> 00:06:36,450 around there it goes there guys look 136 00:06:40,430 --> 00:06:38,729 look through the water isn't that creepy 137 00:06:45,650 --> 00:06:40,440 you wouldn't want to go for a paddle no 138 00:06:47,950 --> 00:06:45,660 no thank you Wow now we had the pleasure 139 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:47,960 of your company last night Pamela at a 140 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:50,310 special dinner down at darling harbour 141 00:06:55,310 --> 00:06:53,460 very select group who came along to have 142 00:06:57,469 --> 00:06:55,320 a private dinner with you and I must say 143 00:06:59,000 --> 00:06:57,479 you were wonderful you spoke for a long 144 00:07:01,490 --> 00:06:59,010 time and you answered questions for 145 00:07:05,150 --> 00:07:01,500 hours it was so good of you it was 146 00:07:07,879 --> 00:07:05,160 really an amazing evening to get to 147 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:07,889 share dinner with i think it was around 148 00:07:12,580 --> 00:07:10,050 20 different people that are all 149 00:07:16,990 --> 00:07:12,590 enthusiastic about science and 150 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:17,000 scientific skepticism and we got to have 151 00:07:20,239 --> 00:07:19,650 honest discussions about the things that 152 00:07:22,669 --> 00:07:20,249 are 153 00:07:25,339 --> 00:07:22,679 right at the border of understanding the 154 00:07:27,019 --> 00:07:25,349 the how do we seek if there is life on 155 00:07:30,999 --> 00:07:27,029 other worlds and understand that 156 00:07:34,789 --> 00:07:31,009 question scientifically how how do do we 157 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:34,799 identify it why haven't we identified it 158 00:07:39,829 --> 00:07:37,769 and it was just neat to get to wrap our 159 00:07:41,629 --> 00:07:39,839 heads around so many different ideas and 160 00:07:43,789 --> 00:07:41,639 then it all ended with fireworks quite 161 00:07:45,109 --> 00:07:43,799 literally it did it was that was 162 00:07:46,969 --> 00:07:45,119 exciting wasn't it they put in those 163 00:07:50,539 --> 00:07:46,979 wonderful fireworks just for us just for 164 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:50,549 you just fear not that now the the crowd 165 00:07:54,409 --> 00:07:52,289 last night that the small crowd i must 166 00:07:57,469 --> 00:07:54,419 say had very interesting questions a lot 167 00:07:59,329 --> 00:07:57,479 of move quite quite interested to know 168 00:08:01,219 --> 00:07:59,339 your thoughts about the size and scale 169 00:08:03,889 --> 00:08:01,229 and scope of the universe which was 170 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:03,899 endlessly fascinating but you also were 171 00:08:10,969 --> 00:08:07,769 there too of course oh hello stopping to 172 00:08:14,289 --> 00:08:10,979 take another I'm she's a tourist after 173 00:08:16,850 --> 00:08:14,299 all oh yeah and I'm also a photo geek 174 00:08:18,859 --> 00:08:16,860 just passing some wow what beautiful 175 00:08:22,039 --> 00:08:18,869 flowers were passing here on out right 176 00:08:24,350 --> 00:08:22,049 oh no left yeah they look like crabapple 177 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:24,360 flowers but they're not the bees are 178 00:08:30,229 --> 00:08:27,529 buzzing huh you were here of course to 179 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:30,239 promote the wonderful cosmic quest what 180 00:08:35,089 --> 00:08:32,159 what can you tell us about that well 181 00:08:37,540 --> 00:08:35,099 well cosmic quest dot 0 0 RG is a 182 00:08:40,069 --> 00:08:37,550 virtual research facility that's 183 00:08:42,949 --> 00:08:40,079 designed to allow professional 184 00:08:45,139 --> 00:08:42,959 scientists and everyday people to work 185 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:45,149 together on trying to better understand 186 00:08:52,970 --> 00:08:48,959 our universe to explore images of the 187 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:52,980 moon mercury Vesta and work to map out 188 00:08:59,530 --> 00:08:55,970 these planets and moons and asteroid 189 00:09:01,910 --> 00:08:59,540 while at the same time providing 190 00:09:03,889 --> 00:09:01,920 experiences for the public that normally 191 00:09:06,860 --> 00:09:03,899 are reserved for people working at 192 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:06,870 research facilities we have seminars we 193 00:09:13,429 --> 00:09:09,930 have star parties we offer classes for 194 00:09:15,439 --> 00:09:13,439 the public and we're trying to build a 195 00:09:19,340 --> 00:09:15,449 community of people that are learning 196 00:09:21,889 --> 00:09:19,350 and doing science together Wow well I've 197 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:21,899 been to a stop party of course at 198 00:09:28,419 --> 00:09:24,569 dragoncon yes they're they're really 199 00:09:31,009 --> 00:09:28,429 amazing we we have this great group of 200 00:09:33,420 --> 00:09:31,019 amateur astronomers that have set up all 201 00:09:36,990 --> 00:09:33,430 manner of different types of cameras 202 00:09:39,990 --> 00:09:37,000 different types of telescopes and every 203 00:09:44,490 --> 00:09:40,000 Sunday night us monday morning for the 204 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:44,500 western Pacific wit rim we get together 205 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:47,410 and we look at whatever planets are up 206 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:49,990 we look at whatever nebulae are clear 207 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:53,890 and just basically Google the sky ruled 208 00:10:00,650 --> 00:09:58,450 Scott in Google this guy's guy who could 209 00:10:03,510 --> 00:10:00,660 blame you another cause for a photograph 210 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:03,520 we've come to a part of the the the park 211 00:10:07,889 --> 00:10:06,130 here still by the fountain that the pond 212 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:07,899 and look at that it's another one it's 213 00:10:14,810 --> 00:10:10,480 another giant eel swimming bias let's 214 00:10:17,550 --> 00:10:14,820 have a look see if it comes up over here 215 00:10:22,199 --> 00:10:17,560 disappearing into the murky water it'll 216 00:10:24,329 --> 00:10:22,209 probably come up soon is and everybody 217 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:24,339 of course last night was very interested 218 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:26,770 to hear about your work and Cosmo quest 219 00:10:34,199 --> 00:10:30,910 and you were giving people very good ear 220 00:10:38,010 --> 00:10:34,209 oh he's one look he's one like this dang 221 00:10:43,949 --> 00:10:38,020 no I beggar that's even bigger than the 222 00:10:48,030 --> 00:10:43,959 last one slowly moving eel creepy ill 223 00:10:50,790 --> 00:10:48,040 Wow Oh disappearing big long flat and 224 00:10:54,210 --> 00:10:50,800 another following it getting chased this 225 00:11:00,480 --> 00:10:54,220 is ile de this is really ill they these 226 00:11:04,050 --> 00:11:00,490 remind me of like Chinese myths I look 227 00:11:07,530 --> 00:11:04,060 like something from the m from the 228 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:07,540 Jurassic or something yeah they're 229 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:09,810 literally about half a meter long 230 00:11:17,490 --> 00:11:12,750 probably not London centimeters high 231 00:11:22,290 --> 00:11:17,500 know if they go yeah things you see in 232 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:22,300 Sydney and yes so the thing is Pamela 233 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:24,970 this is such a worthwhile endeavor you 234 00:11:29,850 --> 00:11:27,310 do and it brings such joy and interest 235 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:29,860 to so many people how can the skeptics 236 00:11:35,790 --> 00:11:32,470 on listeners be of benefit to you well 237 00:11:38,460 --> 00:11:35,800 two different ways we ask people to come 238 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:38,470 to our site and spend time doing science 239 00:11:44,579 --> 00:11:42,370 help us map out other worlds and find 240 00:11:45,430 --> 00:11:44,589 the scientifically interesting places to 241 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:45,440 land few 242 00:11:50,290 --> 00:11:48,350 spacecraft into focus high-resolution 243 00:11:54,070 --> 00:11:50,300 images using the spacecraft we have 244 00:11:55,990 --> 00:11:54,080 today beyond that get the word out 245 00:11:59,230 --> 00:11:56,000 there's so many people out there 246 00:12:01,540 --> 00:11:59,240 interested in science that don't know 247 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:01,550 what opportunities exist for them to 248 00:12:06,580 --> 00:12:04,370 participate in science and and 249 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:06,590 unfortunately I have to say with the 250 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:08,330 government being chased by it remote 251 00:12:14,140 --> 00:12:12,530 control car yes i'm adding merriment for 252 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:14,150 what was about to be a depressing phrase 253 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:16,880 there we go um so one of the things that 254 00:12:22,510 --> 00:12:19,490 we're currently facing is budgetary 255 00:12:25,930 --> 00:12:22,520 shortfalls as so many governments around 256 00:12:27,820 --> 00:12:25,940 the world have to cut back the funding 257 00:12:31,630 --> 00:12:27,830 they have for science as they focus on 258 00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:31,640 social issues and well on warfare and 259 00:12:38,380 --> 00:12:35,870 yes yes so we are always looking for 260 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:38,390 corporate sponsors to help help us 261 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:41,270 spread science and raise up a more 262 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:43,250 technologically literate future I 263 00:12:48,340 --> 00:12:45,170 couldn't think of a better way for a 264 00:12:50,110 --> 00:12:48,350 large corporation or an individual who's 265 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:50,120 thinking that they'd love to support 266 00:12:55,540 --> 00:12:53,810 science and surely astronomy is one of 267 00:12:58,210 --> 00:12:55,550 the most elegant and beautiful sciences 268 00:13:00,010 --> 00:12:58,220 there is and it really is it's one of 269 00:13:01,690 --> 00:13:00,020 the most or inspiring and there are many 270 00:13:03,670 --> 00:13:01,700 sciences out there which you could say 271 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:03,680 are inspiring but everybody can share in 272 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:05,450 this wonderful one so I would encourage 273 00:13:13,810 --> 00:13:09,110 you to visit cosmic quest org yes cuz 274 00:13:15,970 --> 00:13:13,820 dad o RG OIG you won't regret it and you 275 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:15,980 may even get to if you're very lucky 276 00:13:20,650 --> 00:13:18,290 stir all around the Botanic Gardens when 277 00:13:24,790 --> 00:13:20,660 they were family game and be chased by 278 00:13:27,310 --> 00:13:24,800 eels and remote control cars and power 279 00:13:29,110 --> 00:13:27,320 if we're very lucky and we go around if 280 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:29,120 I'm getting my bearings right we can 281 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:30,950 have a bit of a wonder we might even see 282 00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:33,050 some flying foxes that that would be 283 00:13:53,260 --> 00:13:51,190 astronomy cast it takes a fact space 284 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:53,270 journey through the cosmos as it offers 285 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:55,010 listeners weekly discussions on 286 00:14:00,580 --> 00:13:57,680 astronomical topics ranging from planets 287 00:14:02,890 --> 00:14:00,590 to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of 288 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:02,900 Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela 289 00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:03,890 gave southern illinois university 290 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:06,560 edwardsville this show brings the 291 00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:08,450 questions of an avid astronomy lover 292 00:14:12,970 --> 00:14:10,880 directly to an astronomer together 293 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:12,980 Fraser and I explore what is known and 294 00:14:17,260 --> 00:14:14,510 being discovered about the universe 295 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:17,270 around us join us each week as we take a 296 00:14:28,750 --> 00:14:19,370 fact space journey through the cosmos at 297 00:14:30,970 --> 00:14:28,760 astronomy cast calm this week in science 298 00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:30,980 we saw a new unmanned mission to the 299 00:14:44,950 --> 00:14:34,880 moon tarantula venom pesticide and what 300 00:14:49,130 --> 00:14:47,120 elephants can distinguish between the 301 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:49,140 growls of predators and adapt their 302 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:50,730 behavior depending on the level of 303 00:14:55,580 --> 00:14:53,610 danger wild Asian elephants were played 304 00:14:57,260 --> 00:14:55,590 the growls of tigers which are a 305 00:15:00,170 --> 00:14:57,270 significant threat to elephant calves 306 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:00,180 and the growls of leopards which pose no 307 00:15:04,940 --> 00:15:02,730 real threat when Tiger growls were 308 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:04,950 played researchers observed the elephant 309 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:07,770 silently retreating to safety but when 310 00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,810 played leopard growls the elephant's 311 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:12,240 made aggressive noises and investigated 312 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:13,530 the threat rather than immediately 313 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:16,110 retreating this shows that elephants 314 00:15:19,850 --> 00:15:17,970 make a judgment on how dangerous the 315 00:15:24,110 --> 00:15:19,860 threat is and adapt their behavior 316 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:24,120 accordingly nASA has launched a new 317 00:15:31,190 --> 00:15:26,910 unmanned probe to the moon delightfully 318 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:31,200 named laddie laddie that's la d double e 319 00:15:36,260 --> 00:15:33,690 stands for the lunar atmosphere and dust 320 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:36,270 environment Explorer and will orbit the 321 00:15:40,390 --> 00:15:38,130 moon collecting information about its 322 00:15:42,890 --> 00:15:40,400 atmosphere during the Apollo missions 323 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:42,900 astronauts reported a strange glow on 324 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:44,880 the moon's horizon thought to be 325 00:15:49,490 --> 00:15:46,890 electrically charged dust rising from 326 00:15:51,530 --> 00:15:49,500 the surface laddie will investigate the 327 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:51,540 glowing dust as well as gases in the 328 00:15:57,650 --> 00:15:55,800 moon's atmosphere electronic cigarettes 329 00:16:00,110 --> 00:15:57,660 are better at helping smokers cut back 330 00:16:01,850 --> 00:16:00,120 to the 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00:17:12,939 --> 00:17:11,660 Reverend look at science news and 360 00:17:16,420 --> 00:17:12,949 skeptical topics from an Irish 361 00:17:35,890 --> 00:17:16,430 perspective you can find us at WWDC 362 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:38,060 joining me now all the way from 363 00:17:43,580 --> 00:17:40,890 beautiful Connecticut in the United 364 00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:43,590 States it's Evan Bernstein Richard 365 00:17:48,290 --> 00:17:45,840 Saunders how are you not doing too bad 366 00:17:50,210 --> 00:17:48,300 Evan touch a hay fever it's that time of 367 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:50,220 the year here in Sydney the days are 368 00:17:54,620 --> 00:17:51,570 getting warmer in fact we've had some 369 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:54,630 big bush fires lately and yeah I guess 370 00:17:59,600 --> 00:17:57,930 the pollen count is up and I can 371 00:18:01,340 --> 00:17:59,610 certainly feel it well when we have 372 00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:01,350 spring here in Connecticut the exact 373 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:03,000 same conditions happen although not the 374 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:05,250 wildfires where we don't get many of 375 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:07,260 those it's certainly not that time of 376 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:10,610 year but the pollen the hay fever the 377 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:13,290 you know particles in the air it's just 378 00:18:17,390 --> 00:18:15,810 go makes your senses go crazy and I know 379 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:17,400 what you're feeling right now but in 380 00:18:21,620 --> 00:18:18,810 your part of the world right now it's 381 00:18:24,740 --> 00:18:21,630 not certainly not going into spring it's 382 00:18:27,170 --> 00:18:24,750 going into autumn we are in fact and 383 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:27,180 there's frankly fewer places on earth 384 00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:30,690 more wonderful to be than in New England 385 00:18:34,430 --> 00:18:32,340 during during the autumn because the 386 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:34,440 foliage the turning of the color of the 387 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:36,510 leaves on the trees is just spectacular 388 00:18:40,940 --> 00:18:38,670 it people do come from all over the 389 00:18:43,730 --> 00:18:40,950 world to see it so I'm very fortunate to 390 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:43,740 live here and be able to enjoy that each 391 00:18:49,130 --> 00:18:45,720 year now Evan you've been involved in 392 00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:49,140 skepticism for quite a long time how 393 00:18:53,540 --> 00:18:51,600 long have you been doing that you were 394 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:53,550 one of the people who founded the New 395 00:18:58,820 --> 00:18:56,250 England's skeptical society I think even 396 00:19:00,530 --> 00:18:58,830 from the days before it was known as the 397 00:19:02,810 --> 00:19:00,540 New England skeptics society we were 398 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:02,820 simply the Connecticut skeptical society 399 00:19:08,330 --> 00:19:06,510 when we started out in 1996 so yeah it's 400 00:19:11,470 --> 00:19:08,340 been a very long journey and of course 401 00:19:15,950 --> 00:19:11,480 eventually that led to the formation of 402 00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,960 SGU the skeptics guide to the universe I 403 00:19:20,030 --> 00:19:17,760 was wondering and maybe some of our 404 00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:20,040 listeners are wondering too how did that 405 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:22,620 how'd that all get started how did the 406 00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:25,380 skeptics guide to the universe come into 407 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:27,240 existence the skeptics guide to the 408 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:30,030 universe came about as a result of our 409 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:32,010 efforts we had put in for the bed 410 00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:34,350 part of 10 years with the New England 411 00:19:41,540 --> 00:19:37,620 skeptical society in which it was myself 412 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:41,550 and Steve and Perry and Bob at the time 413 00:19:48,530 --> 00:19:44,460 who we made up the Executive Council of 414 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:48,540 the society and this is all in 2000 late 415 00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:51,000 2004 early two thousand five right when 416 00:19:57,260 --> 00:19:53,820 podcasting became came onto the scene 417 00:20:01,240 --> 00:19:57,270 and iTunes introduced their store and 418 00:20:03,980 --> 00:20:01,250 and basically invented podcasting for 419 00:20:06,620 --> 00:20:03,990 for lack of a better person or 420 00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:06,630 organization to credit for that we 421 00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:09,680 always give it to them so you know and 422 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:14,280 we had decided to try to move our 423 00:20:18,530 --> 00:20:17,130 efforts which were offline based in 424 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:18,540 which we would have you know just 425 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:21,330 monthly meetings we'd have dinners and 426 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:23,130 functions and have special speakers come 427 00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,690 in but we'd also publish a newsletter 428 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:26,880 yes back in the days of you know 429 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:29,370 printing actual paper and mailing 430 00:20:33,230 --> 00:20:31,170 newsletters out to people we did that 431 00:20:35,390 --> 00:20:33,240 for quite a long time but it was time 432 00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:35,400 you know the internet had matured by 433 00:20:39,140 --> 00:20:37,260 that time and it was really time to 434 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:39,150 start developing an online presence and 435 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:42,660 we got the idea for doing a show when we 436 00:20:48,730 --> 00:20:44,610 were talking with our one of our common 437 00:20:51,050 --> 00:20:48,740 friends around that time who felt 438 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:51,060 putting something together in a podcast 439 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:54,930 would be a more oh let's say or an 440 00:21:00,350 --> 00:20:58,050 easier way to go about our discussions 441 00:21:01,940 --> 00:21:00,360 on politics instead of emailing each 442 00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:01,950 other back and forth we were all very 443 00:21:07,820 --> 00:21:06,000 sort of actively politically charged at 444 00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,830 the time you know Iraq war was raging 445 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,840 you know and a lot of things were 446 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:11,280 happening in the George Bush 447 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:13,410 administration and the conversations 448 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:15,510 were hot and he did and heavy and they 449 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:18,090 were 50 e-mails back and forth each day 450 00:21:22,550 --> 00:21:20,130 so this is going on for several months 451 00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,560 and we're so friend suggested well you 452 00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:24,480 know this is taking up a lot of time why 453 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:25,680 don't we just get together and record 454 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:26,850 our thoughts and have like a dinner 455 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:29,250 table discussion and turn it into a show 456 00:21:33,380 --> 00:21:31,290 and Steve thought that was a brilliant 457 00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:33,390 idea but he said instead of politics 458 00:21:37,180 --> 00:21:34,500 what we're going to do is we're going to 459 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:37,190 use that idea and put our skeptical 460 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:40,290 efforts and thoughts into a show and 461 00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:42,510 that was the seed that was the actual 462 00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:44,220 genesis of the skeptics guide to the 463 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:45,200 universe back in 464 00:21:49,690 --> 00:21:47,240 and our first show launched in May of 465 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:49,700 2005 and how does the show work I mean I 466 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:52,250 imagine you can get together when you 467 00:21:57,340 --> 00:21:53,809 can get together all in the same room 468 00:22:00,370 --> 00:21:57,350 but that it's not often how do you all 469 00:22:02,830 --> 00:22:00,380 get the show sounding so good how do you 470 00:22:04,539 --> 00:22:02,840 record it it works not dissimilar to the 471 00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:04,549 way we actually are doing it now yes we 472 00:22:08,409 --> 00:22:06,590 use skype as a conference tool so we can 473 00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:08,419 all hear each other but we each recorded 474 00:22:15,340 --> 00:22:13,039 ourselves locally using audacity and we 475 00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:15,350 would send our files to Steve at the end 476 00:22:19,180 --> 00:22:16,880 of it all so he could edit us all 477 00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,190 together and turn it into one single 478 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:21,200 track and it's really not that different 479 00:22:25,210 --> 00:22:23,510 from the way we make the show now we 480 00:22:27,879 --> 00:22:25,220 sort of stumbled upon it ourselves 481 00:22:29,289 --> 00:22:27,889 figured it out ourselves and it was 482 00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,299 nothing special to it a lot of other 483 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:32,000 people had were able to sort of do the 484 00:22:37,149 --> 00:22:34,010 same thing or stumble upon this sort of 485 00:22:39,810 --> 00:22:37,159 solution to podcasting as a group from 486 00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:39,820 various places all over the planet and 487 00:22:45,159 --> 00:22:43,789 that was it it kind of it was easy 488 00:22:47,259 --> 00:22:45,169 enough for us and we had had a lot of 489 00:22:50,110 --> 00:22:47,269 experience using and sampling some 490 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:50,120 different conferencing programs because 491 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:52,010 we would also play a lot of online games 492 00:22:55,149 --> 00:22:53,120 together and when you're playing 493 00:22:57,340 --> 00:22:55,159 multiplayer online games together it was 494 00:22:58,930 --> 00:22:57,350 it would be convenient to be able to 495 00:23:00,129 --> 00:22:58,940 hear each other and talk and say okay 496 00:23:02,259 --> 00:23:00,139 our group is going to now head towards 497 00:23:04,629 --> 00:23:02,269 this part of the city or you know that 498 00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,639 sort of chatter going on and at the time 499 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:06,559 the games themselves didn't have very 500 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:10,610 good or at all voice programs built into 501 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:12,049 the game system so we had to search 502 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:13,850 around and try a couple of different 503 00:23:17,889 --> 00:23:16,010 ones that worked and we found out that 504 00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:17,899 Skype had not only the best quality but 505 00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:22,880 also the best bandwidth or it didn't 506 00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:25,070 crash as much as the other ones so we 507 00:23:29,769 --> 00:23:27,100 had already kind of flesh that out and 508 00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:29,779 the recording part was easy enough so we 509 00:23:32,590 --> 00:23:30,950 were pretty much there from the get-go 510 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:32,600 and we understood what exactly what we 511 00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,730 needed to do yes well that's more or 512 00:23:39,970 --> 00:23:37,039 less what's happening at the moment in 513 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:39,980 fact you're recording your bid at your 514 00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,049 end in Connecticut I'm recording my bit 515 00:23:45,370 --> 00:23:44,240 here in Sydney Australia and when we're 516 00:23:47,230 --> 00:23:45,380 finished you're going to send me your 517 00:23:49,899 --> 00:23:47,240 file and I'm going to edit it all 518 00:23:51,820 --> 00:23:49,909 together and I'll sound so so seamless 519 00:23:55,149 --> 00:23:51,830 but don't tell anybody that's a 520 00:23:56,419 --> 00:23:55,159 production secret well except make sure 521 00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:56,429 you edit that part out rich 522 00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,179 don't forget now we all enjoy listening 523 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:01,440 to skeptics guide to the universe 524 00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:04,769 yourself Steve novella Jane novella Bob 525 00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:06,990 novella and rebecca watson but of course 526 00:24:09,889 --> 00:24:08,460 there's one person who was there right 527 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:09,899 from the beginning who is missing these 528 00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:13,049 days sadly perry DeAngelis who I never 529 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:15,720 got to meet what sort of character was 530 00:24:20,899 --> 00:24:18,450 Perry he was my best friend certainly I 531 00:24:24,049 --> 00:24:20,909 mean you know I consider steve j and bob 532 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:24,059 also to be my best friends and I would 533 00:24:28,609 --> 00:24:26,129 consider them the same as Perry you know 534 00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:28,619 in so much that I actually knew Perry 535 00:24:35,629 --> 00:24:32,820 longer than I knew the novellas so he 536 00:24:40,220 --> 00:24:35,639 was a really tremendous friend to grow 537 00:24:41,659 --> 00:24:40,230 up with you would walk into a room meet 538 00:24:44,299 --> 00:24:41,669 him for the first time and within about 539 00:24:46,299 --> 00:24:44,309 60 seconds it would take and you'd fall 540 00:24:50,749 --> 00:24:46,309 in love with the guy he was had such a 541 00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:50,759 charming inviting personality and this 542 00:24:54,619 --> 00:24:53,100 is also a person who was at times rough 543 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:54,629 around the edges and pretty opinionated 544 00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:57,450 on many matters skepticism you know 545 00:25:01,549 --> 00:24:59,460 politics and sports and a lot you know 546 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:01,559 and lots of different things he was also 547 00:25:05,869 --> 00:25:04,110 a news junkie so he kind of kept up to 548 00:25:08,899 --> 00:25:05,879 date with a lot of current events in 549 00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,909 these sorts of things and but regardless 550 00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:10,679 of whether you agreed with Perry or 551 00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:13,470 didn't or had somewhere in the middle 552 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:15,240 opinions about some of the things he's 553 00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:17,369 either said on the show or what you knew 554 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:19,230 about him as a person outside the show I 555 00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:22,129 mean you couldn't help but absolutely 556 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:25,679 want to have more time with him he's the 557 00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:27,570 kind of person you just never wanted the 558 00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:29,460 time to end he oh he's a very fun-loving 559 00:25:36,139 --> 00:25:33,720 person an avid gamer as we all were but 560 00:25:39,259 --> 00:25:36,149 Perry I think was the king of gamers of 561 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:39,269 all of us and that's effectively how we 562 00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,809 all met as friends was through a 563 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:43,440 role-playing game a live-action 564 00:25:47,779 --> 00:25:45,690 role-playing game and that's when Perry 565 00:25:49,999 --> 00:25:47,789 and I essentially met the novellas back 566 00:25:51,980 --> 00:25:50,009 in 1992 and that's when our group 567 00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:51,990 friendship started and you know just 568 00:25:57,019 --> 00:25:53,940 can't say enough about Perry oh and one 569 00:26:00,320 --> 00:25:57,029 more thing he what you heard of him on 570 00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:00,330 the show brief as it was it was exactly 571 00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,480 how he is he didn't put on any airs he 572 00:26:07,879 --> 00:26:05,039 didn't pretend to be somebody else he 573 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:07,889 didn't have a personality that to put on 574 00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:09,690 to the show you you you pretty much got 575 00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:10,350 exactly 576 00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:16,380 raw thought thoughts were so and I think 577 00:26:20,570 --> 00:26:18,539 a lot of people understand that and have 578 00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:20,580 expressed so much to us and we're very 579 00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,100 happy that you know we had a hundred and 580 00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:25,919 better part of 110 episodes in which we 581 00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:28,679 were able to capture him and you know 582 00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,539 let him live in eternity in the world of 583 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:32,460 podcasting in fact the first time I met 584 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:36,450 Rebecca Watson was only weeks or a month 585 00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:41,970 or so after Perry died and that can only 586 00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:44,039 be six years ago it's amazing to think 587 00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,460 that Perry's been gone for six years it 588 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:50,000 is it's a sobering it's a reminder of 589 00:26:57,140 --> 00:26:52,830 well as Carl Sagan used to say just 590 00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:57,150 really how precious life is and how you 591 00:27:02,060 --> 00:26:59,400 know what there's such a thin difference 592 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:02,070 between existence and non-existence and 593 00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,330 when you have a friend and a person that 594 00:27:09,620 --> 00:27:07,679 you've done so many activities with 595 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:09,630 throughout your life like Perry you know 596 00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:11,130 I mean we've you have a best friend 597 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,900 Richard somewhere and a lot of people in 598 00:27:16,909 --> 00:27:14,640 this audience they all have best friends 599 00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:16,919 you know and just people you just want 600 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:18,510 to spend more and more time with and you 601 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:20,250 have to realize that that time is very 602 00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:23,570 precious and yes six years have gone by 603 00:27:27,890 --> 00:27:25,799 we still miss him and we still get 604 00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:27,900 emails lots of emails to this day for 605 00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,159 people who are just discovering the 606 00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:31,440 skeptics guide recently new listeners 607 00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:33,720 and they you know have to let us know 608 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:37,590 about how much they enjoyed Perry wally 609 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:40,650 was around so it's very very nice to 610 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:42,630 hear those comments I remember sending 611 00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:44,490 an audio message to the skeptics guide 612 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:45,990 to the universe when Perry was still on 613 00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:49,770 the show saying i hope the whole crew 614 00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,720 can come to australia so i'm sad perry 615 00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:53,340 didn't make it in the end but you did 616 00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:54,780 and the others did of course in the year 617 00:28:02,020 --> 00:27:58,919 2010 for tam australia and you guys i 618 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:02,030 guess you guys are sort of treated like 619 00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:04,260 skeptical rock stars when you were here 620 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:09,270 haha is there such a thing oh yeah okay 621 00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:12,690 so um I'll accept that you know for what 622 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:15,059 it is you know we try to take we try to 623 00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:18,770 take those things in stride and the 624 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:20,940 adventure I like to call it an adventure 625 00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,890 we had both going to and coming back 626 00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,120 from australia and of course the two 627 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:27,520 weeks we spent in australia we're just a 628 00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:29,770 tremendous tremendous time for us not 629 00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,440 just professionally as in our skeptic 630 00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:34,480 careers but also personally we had our 631 00:28:39,780 --> 00:28:37,420 families with us just top to bottom and 632 00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:39,790 outstanding outstanding and wonderful 633 00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:42,270 experience one that we do want to repeat 634 00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:44,710 at some point I would say it's not a 635 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:46,840 matter of if we ever return to Australia 636 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:48,910 it's simply a matter of when we return 637 00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:51,450 to Australia now rebecca has been back 638 00:28:57,060 --> 00:28:54,880 and you know we're happy that you know 639 00:28:59,460 --> 00:28:57,070 she's able to be able to go to various 640 00:29:01,440 --> 00:28:59,470 places around the around the planet that 641 00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:01,450 sometimes the rest of us guys can't but 642 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:03,160 Australia we will most certainly be 643 00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:05,050 coming back at some point apart from the 644 00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:07,630 wildlife at the conventions did you see 645 00:29:13,470 --> 00:29:11,230 any real Australian wildlife besides our 646 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:13,480 trip to the Australia Zoo to the Sydney 647 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:17,650 zoo oh we did yeah we made sure that we 648 00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:21,010 had plenty of time built in to head out 649 00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:24,040 to various parts of the country and see 650 00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,900 a couple different things we spent a 651 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:27,760 whole day out at the Blue Mountains 652 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,680 which was tremendous Steve who is an 653 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:35,440 avid birder along with his oldest 654 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:38,650 daughter you know couldn't snap enough 655 00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:41,410 pictures of all the birds and other 656 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:43,720 creatures that that we were exposed to 657 00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:46,270 their out in the mountains and we also 658 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:48,790 after our time in Sydney was up we 659 00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:51,730 headed up to Cannes and spent some time 660 00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:53,320 up there and we went into the rainforest 661 00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:56,920 and I was a whole nother experience of 662 00:30:00,810 --> 00:29:58,750 all different things that we saw there 663 00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:00,820 and like I'd mentioned the Sydney zoo of 664 00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,680 course with tremendous great great great 665 00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:04,960 day we spent out there as well so there 666 00:30:09,570 --> 00:30:08,260 was plenty of time to see a lot of the a 667 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:09,580 lot of the creatures all around 668 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:12,250 Australia do you personally get much fan 669 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:13,650 mail from around the world and 670 00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:17,530 particularly from Australia yeah well we 671 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:20,860 are an english-based podcast so 672 00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:22,570 obviously the english-speaking countries 673 00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:25,030 of the world are the ones where we are 674 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:26,580 listen to the most but not exclusively 675 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:30,490 not exclusively and Australia we do seem 676 00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:34,090 to have quite a bit of listeners from 677 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:35,920 Australian we're very very happy about 678 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:37,720 that we seem to 679 00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:40,710 strike a tone with them I think we are 680 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,760 share a lot of things in common even 681 00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:47,200 though we kind of each of our countries 682 00:30:53,550 --> 00:30:50,590 kind of developed on their own we sort 683 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:53,560 of share similar traits and have similar 684 00:31:00,240 --> 00:30:57,970 customs and you know culturally and we 685 00:31:03,390 --> 00:31:00,250 have similarities as well so there's a 686 00:31:07,380 --> 00:31:03,400 natural sort of connection that I think 687 00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:07,390 we make with Australians because of 688 00:31:11,550 --> 00:31:09,820 those other common factors between our 689 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:11,560 two countries and our culture's 690 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:13,750 absolutely right and I feel the same way 691 00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:16,690 I get many many listeners to this show 692 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:19,540 from the United States and it's nice to 693 00:31:25,020 --> 00:31:22,870 know that both our podcasts go around 694 00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:25,030 the world mm-hmm well I'm going to be 695 00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:28,480 pulling out all stops to join you I hope 696 00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:31,480 at the skeptics convention you have in 697 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:34,750 new york in april what can you tell me 698 00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:37,930 about that our next convention our 699 00:31:42,390 --> 00:31:39,670 annual convention it's turned into 700 00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:42,400 called nexus the new england conference 701 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:46,240 for science and skepticism and we are 702 00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:48,310 the co-hosts of it along with our 703 00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,830 friends over at the new york skeptics 704 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:53,200 society so together we make the north 705 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:54,670 eastern conference on science and 706 00:32:00,570 --> 00:31:58,330 skepticism each year in April we have 707 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:00,580 well what could I guess be considered 708 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:02,410 sort of a mini tam for lack of a better 709 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,210 description if anyone has ever been to 710 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:07,120 Tam then this conference is very similar 711 00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:13,930 in peep in style and substance and guest 712 00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:17,230 speakers and some other things that we 713 00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:19,060 do we have lots of artists performing 714 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:22,440 you know musicians I'll come in and 715 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:25,570 people also come they do they come in 716 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:27,520 from around the world to to attend this 717 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:31,510 conference in New York City which next 718 00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:33,910 one is coming up in 2014 in April and 719 00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:35,800 Richard you know we were talking at the 720 00:32:40,170 --> 00:32:38,350 last time about that sort of putting 721 00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:40,180 together a little plan for you to make 722 00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:42,220 sure that you time your trip back to the 723 00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,660 United States or the east coast of the 724 00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:46,000 united states that you'll be here right 725 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:47,980 about the time that Tam is going on and 726 00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:50,690 you know that you will be a very very 727 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:52,760 special and featured guest of ours when 728 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:54,650 you are here no it's very kind of you i 729 00:33:00,400 --> 00:32:57,290 hope i can make it i hope so and I've 730 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:00,410 never been to New York before I would be 731 00:33:04,390 --> 00:33:02,450 looking forward to that it's a 732 00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:04,400 one-of-a-kind city I mean I imagine you 733 00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,710 can say that just about of any city but 734 00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:08,000 you know everything you've heard about 735 00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:12,470 New York especially the good stuff is is 736 00:33:17,290 --> 00:33:15,380 all true and you know don't worry so 737 00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:17,300 much about the bad stuff that's you know 738 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:19,100 few and far between well we'll make sure 739 00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:20,330 we keep you out of trouble when you're 740 00:33:23,890 --> 00:33:21,860 here so yeah I do hope that we can 741 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:23,900 really make that a reality oh I wouldn't 742 00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:25,610 worry Evan I wouldn't worry walking 743 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:28,430 around New York I just grabbed George 744 00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:31,850 shrub and he'd look at me yeah of course 745 00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:33,320 he will yes he's got eyes in the back of 746 00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:35,630 his head it's not like he has hair there 747 00:33:39,670 --> 00:33:37,700 to get in the way or anything well Evan 748 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:39,680 Bernstein thanks very much for chatting 749 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:41,510 to the skeptic zone I know a lot of 750 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:43,070 people who listen to the skeptic zone 751 00:33:49,390 --> 00:33:46,730 listen to SGU and vice versa I'm pleased 752 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:49,400 to say and you're always welcome to come 753 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:52,130 back to Australia and who knows you 754 00:33:57,790 --> 00:33:55,010 might be back here sooner rather than 755 00:33:59,620 --> 00:33:57,800 later but for now Evan Bernstein thank 756 00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,630 you for being on the skeptic zone 757 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:01,760 Richard thank you very much i hope to 758 00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:18,099 you've argued against the same woo so 759 00:34:22,089 --> 00:34:19,599 many times you can do it in your sleep 760 00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:22,099 with trying to stop the nonsense one 761 00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:24,260 person at a time join guerrilla 762 00:34:28,809 --> 00:34:27,020 skepticism on Wikipedia help us make 763 00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:28,819 sure the best skeptical information is 764 00:34:34,419 --> 00:34:31,190 always at everyone's fingertips we need 765 00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,429 writers editors translators we need you 766 00:34:39,879 --> 00:34:36,800 and take as much or as little time as 767 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:39,889 you can give us help us make Wikipedia 768 00:34:43,450 --> 00:34:42,050 as accurate as it can be and you'll 769 00:34:46,899 --> 00:34:43,460 literally be helping people while you 770 00:34:49,059 --> 00:34:46,909 sleep to join us or find out more send a 771 00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:49,069 facebook friend request to susan Berbick 772 00:35:06,660 --> 00:34:52,750 that's ger be IC guerrilla skepticism 773 00:35:08,829 --> 00:35:06,670 the time is now well I'm here the 774 00:35:11,319 --> 00:35:08,839 Darling Harbour we've enjoying a great 775 00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:11,329 dinner with Pamela gay but well it's 776 00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:13,220 kevin davies president of the canberra 777 00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,660 skeptics Kevin you've traveled all the 778 00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:16,400 way to Sydney just to hear Pamela's she 779 00:35:21,309 --> 00:35:18,440 is truly amazing research and she's been 780 00:35:24,670 --> 00:35:21,319 talking for over an hour now now and a 781 00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:24,680 half just answering questions and I'm so 782 00:35:30,190 --> 00:35:27,140 grateful I got to come up here and 783 00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:30,200 listen to her and talk to her I've heard 784 00:35:36,579 --> 00:35:34,190 her a couple of times at Tamar's and TAM 785 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:36,589 2011 but this is going to be hard to 786 00:35:40,569 --> 00:35:39,170 talk yeah it's and we've just snuck away 787 00:35:42,670 --> 00:35:40,579 so I gave him a quick chat with you 788 00:35:44,170 --> 00:35:42,680 she's still there she's got a room full 789 00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:44,180 of people listening to what she has to 790 00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:46,280 say they're firing questions about the 791 00:35:51,339 --> 00:35:48,470 universe about the expansion of space 792 00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,349 she's answering them all it's it's just 793 00:35:57,250 --> 00:35:53,839 staggering she truly is a spellbinding 794 00:35:58,839 --> 00:35:57,260 person she is now of course the exciting 795 00:36:00,579 --> 00:35:58,849 news is our listeners know is there's 796 00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,589 the big Australian skeptics national 797 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:02,480 convention coming up and it's coming up 798 00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,569 soon can we are very soon 22nd to 24th 799 00:36:10,450 --> 00:36:08,000 of November come along it's going to be 800 00:36:12,339 --> 00:36:10,460 a fantastic time we have a number of 801 00:36:15,819 --> 00:36:12,349 great speakers including the one the 802 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:15,829 only the incomparable riches Saunders we 803 00:36:19,279 --> 00:36:17,609 have Chris French coming along we 804 00:36:21,289 --> 00:36:19,289 so have a number of speakers from 805 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:21,299 Canberra and I always enjoy the 806 00:36:24,229 --> 00:36:22,470 Australian skeptics National Convention 807 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:24,239 and every time I've gone along it's been 808 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:25,650 a lot of fun it's been interesting talks 809 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:27,569 and the dinner of course it's always a 810 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:29,249 highlight we have the bent spoon but 811 00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:31,410 also this dinner is going to be a lot of 812 00:36:36,739 --> 00:36:33,710 fun because it's a doctor who theme yes 813 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:36,749 through a strange quirk of history or 814 00:36:43,099 --> 00:36:41,609 maybe even a conspiracy yes the 50th 815 00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,109 anniversary of the first screening of 816 00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:45,599 Doctor Who happened the day after the 817 00:36:51,289 --> 00:36:48,420 50th anniversary of the assassination of 818 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:51,299 JFK coincidence i think not i'm going to 819 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:54,390 conspiracy resilient so it's going to be 820 00:36:57,890 --> 00:36:56,730 a great dinner the dinners always a lot 821 00:36:59,900 --> 00:36:57,900 of fun of the signs give access to 822 00:37:00,979 --> 00:36:59,910 conventions there the presentation is 823 00:37:02,660 --> 00:37:00,989 the best booth award I don't know who's 824 00:37:04,009 --> 00:37:02,670 going to win it this year he knows who 825 00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:04,019 knows there's always a lot of good 826 00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:07,109 candidate and my minder you can see if i 827 00:37:13,729 --> 00:37:10,710 can get my old Long Tom Baker scarf out 828 00:37:15,259 --> 00:37:13,739 of the cupboard no they may be look 829 00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:15,269 forward to saying I had one once almost 830 00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:17,460 I still got it I don't know anyway the 831 00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:19,230 website people need to visit to buy 832 00:37:24,769 --> 00:37:20,609 their tickets because time is running 833 00:37:28,009 --> 00:37:24,779 out is www national skeptics convention 834 00:37:29,749 --> 00:37:28,019 dot org national skeptics convention dot 835 00:37:31,759 --> 00:37:29,759 org is the website you can buy your 836 00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:31,769 tickets there now is the time to get 837 00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:33,569 those tickets I know you have your 838 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:35,460 selling the tickets fast it's like six 839 00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:37,170 weeks away something like that seven 840 00:37:41,029 --> 00:37:39,660 weeks not long not long it seems a lot 841 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:41,039 longer when we first agreed to do it 842 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:43,410 it's getting a lot closer now I know the 843 00:37:46,729 --> 00:37:45,210 feeling Kevin I can't wait for it and 844 00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:46,739 i'll see you in canberra thank you very 845 00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,380 hey fellow skeptics I'm trench the 846 00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:00,400 co-host of a podcast called seeds of 847 00:38:11,660 --> 00:38:02,710 doubt and creative a new project called 848 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:14,339 Dropbox is dedicated to providing new 849 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:17,050 music for your radio show or podcast and 850 00:38:21,390 --> 00:38:18,970 to help support your cause through the 851 00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:21,400 sound waves the song you're listening to 852 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:23,800 is called keep looking up and can be 853 00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:26,770 heard on the podcast oddments by college 854 00:38:53,319 --> 00:38:37,900 you need some new music check me out 855 00:38:53,329 --> 00:39:01,770 is my not spooky action at the distance 856 00:39:06,340 --> 00:39:04,450 welcome skeptic zone listeners welcome 857 00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:06,350 skeptic zone listeners its cub reporter 858 00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:08,630 main out here and I'm ringside literally 859 00:39:11,470 --> 00:39:10,430 as the mystery investigators are about 860 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,480 to do their thing at the powerhouse 861 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:13,280 museum they've done it before and 862 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:14,630 there's been action there's been 863 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:16,490 excitement there's been tears three 864 00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:17,930 governments have fallen during one of 865 00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:19,460 their performances now performance only 866 00:39:22,690 --> 00:39:20,750 that stuff I know it's amazing how they 867 00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:22,700 do it but I can look around i seed ice 868 00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:25,580 water all sorts of things that would be 869 00:39:28,750 --> 00:39:26,750 at my place on a SAT there night about 870 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:28,760 eleven o'clock but they they gotta learn 871 00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:30,290 about science and that's Richard 872 00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,060 Saunders as you say in the business 873 00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:33,680 stroking the balloon Richard how's it 874 00:39:36,190 --> 00:39:35,030 going I thought this is one of the 875 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:36,200 things that would be at your place on a 876 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:38,810 late on the night and over there I see 877 00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:42,290 dr. H is using clinique cosmetics hi hi 878 00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:45,470 dr. Maynard aren't you aren't you amazed 879 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:47,870 that I with that I recognize the brand 880 00:39:52,270 --> 00:39:49,610 of your cosmetics from 20 feet away 881 00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,280 because you use the same one I give it 882 00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:54,800 all away okay now you're actually 883 00:39:57,940 --> 00:39:56,360 putting on a bit of makeup right now 884 00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:57,950 Richard you working sans makeup tonight 885 00:40:02,170 --> 00:40:00,560 sans makeup just for tonight now you 886 00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:02,180 just outside the coals theatre here now 887 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:04,460 inside there there's some science going 888 00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:06,410 on but you're going to be pre sciencing 889 00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,820 them as the people come out outside 890 00:40:12,070 --> 00:40:09,440 there will be some signs going on as 891 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:12,080 well rach and i had to perform some of 892 00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:13,250 the mystery investigators we got the 893 00:40:16,030 --> 00:40:14,750 water divining set up we've got the bed 894 00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:16,040 of nails over there we're going to be 895 00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:18,020 doing our power balance and spoon 896 00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:19,820 bending right now what sort of audience 897 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:22,100 it usually you work to the school kids 898 00:40:25,570 --> 00:40:24,050 who's expected tonight a huge 899 00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:25,580 cross-section of society will be coming 900 00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:27,710 tonight for the powerhouse night of 901 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:30,260 science very exciting from nine to 902 00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:32,690 ninety i guess i'd say and what dr. 903 00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:34,310 Rocha whatever name is um what what will 904 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:35,630 you actually be doing in the show 905 00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:38,390 Richard got the white pawns Institute 906 00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:41,500 lab coat on you've got the black sort of 907 00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:44,990 Wacky Races evil black coat on what are 908 00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:46,940 you doing I guess I'm the emo scientist 909 00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:49,910 tonight maybe may not I don't know emo 910 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:52,040 still exist we still have those so when 911 00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:53,630 Richard says stuff like and that's 912 00:40:58,420 --> 00:40:55,670 because of air pressure you go don't 913 00:41:00,010 --> 00:40:58,430 tell me I know that's other thing you 914 00:41:01,450 --> 00:41:00,020 know smiley know she's gonna be standing 915 00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:01,460 on my back while I'm on the bed of nails 916 00:41:05,650 --> 00:41:03,230 yeah it's true and jumping up and down 917 00:41:07,150 --> 00:41:05,660 as well so that ought to be fun just 918 00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:07,160 don't tell Richard that okay that's all 919 00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:08,630 going to happening very soon folks stay 920 00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:11,990 tuned I'm just watching from a distance 921 00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:14,470 as the mystery investigators have 922 00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:17,500 they're very scary very dangerous bed of 923 00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:28,349 34 is demonstrating it's a real bed of 924 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:30,550 nails by popping a balloon on it he will 925 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:34,050 now invite a member of the audience to 926 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:40,890 he's inviting dr. hu to help him 927 00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:42,970 demonstrate it's a real bed of nails 928 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:45,670 that you can lie on the real bed of 929 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:54,250 nails without getting hurt usually at 930 00:41:58,890 --> 00:41:56,290 this stage a volunteer from the audience 931 00:42:02,340 --> 00:41:58,900 is going to now lie on the bed of nails 932 00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:02,350 that richard has just lay on and here 933 00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:10,350 she goes how's it feel down there 934 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:15,160 fantastic it's quite comfortable with 935 00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:17,530 evil there all night all right up your 936 00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:27,190 training and now the mystery science 937 00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:28,780 investigators are going to be doing some 938 00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:31,600 water divining this is we're using a 939 00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:34,630 stick they can find some water dr. Rocha 940 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:37,870 course is an expert at alcohol dividing 941 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:39,610 and she's been known to be able to find 942 00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:42,850 a pub from 500 kilometers away using any 943 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:44,780 pointed burn 944 00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:46,890 Wow 945 00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:49,980 she once found a five-star hotel on a 946 00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:52,859 continent using only a credit card she's 947 00:43:03,130 --> 00:42:58,500 amazing multiple people who would like 948 00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:09,080 hey look i'm here with isabel what's 949 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:10,590 going on who are you and why are you 950 00:43:15,140 --> 00:43:12,210 mucking around my liquid nitrogen for 951 00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:15,150 that's dangerous yes well so I'm Islam 952 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:16,830 the manager of the ultimate Science 953 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:18,510 Festival I work here at the powerhouse 954 00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:21,570 and together with a bunch of awesome 955 00:43:26,090 --> 00:43:24,420 wonderful people we've put this festival 956 00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:26,100 together and tonight's the big night of 957 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:29,190 science so we've had we've heard from 958 00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,770 Adam Spencer we've heard from Emma 959 00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:34,800 Johnson and Derek Muller has been doing 960 00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:37,800 a great job hosting the evening and soon 961 00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,150 we're going to be seeing Ruben Merriman 962 00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:40,560 to some really cool science 963 00:43:44,090 --> 00:43:42,990 demonstrations and talk about what I 964 00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:44,100 want to know what you're doing with the 965 00:43:49,070 --> 00:43:45,420 liquid nitrogen you're just running 966 00:43:52,070 --> 00:43:49,080 around with me yeah I'm not sure I think 967 00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:52,080 it's a secret with what Reubens going to 968 00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:54,060 do but I think he's going to talk about 969 00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:56,100 actually the dangers of liquid nitrogen 970 00:44:01,520 --> 00:43:59,160 in cocktails there's been some accidents 971 00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:01,530 around the world where people have 972 00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:04,350 damaged their stomachs or even you know 973 00:44:09,350 --> 00:44:07,500 worse so so yeah Reubens going to talk 974 00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:09,360 about cocktails and and the signs of 975 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:12,630 crowds and all that fun stuff so that's 976 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:15,090 why I'm off to get some liquid nitrogen 977 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:17,130 but yeah it's been a really really great 978 00:44:23,090 --> 00:44:20,010 evening lots of people great vibe drinks 979 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:23,100 food beautiful music what discipline of 980 00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:24,450 science seems to be the big one tonight 981 00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:26,040 is it sort of mathematics physics 982 00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:27,660 chemistry which one seems to be the 983 00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:29,940 bigger one tonight oh god well you can't 984 00:44:37,070 --> 00:44:33,390 mean Adam Spencer did his prime numbers 985 00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,080 talk so you know math has been the Queen 986 00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:40,140 here the quitte the science queen but 987 00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:43,350 you know what Emma did such a great talk 988 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:46,020 on marine biology 989 00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,170 yeah I just couldn't pink really it's a 990 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:50,640 place we could go online to see what 991 00:44:54,830 --> 00:44:51,930 happened tonight or find out more about 992 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:54,840 what's going on yeah definitely there's 993 00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:57,330 I mean this is the second day of the 994 00:45:02,690 --> 00:44:59,700 festival so there's a heaps more to come 995 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:02,700 you can go to Ultimo's science festival 996 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:05,490 com and all the information is there and 997 00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:08,130 you can book from there yeah okay we 998 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:09,300 have fun in there and be careful with 999 00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:11,010 that liquid nitrogen cocktail yes 1000 00:45:15,590 --> 00:45:14,220 definitely thank you there's a little 1001 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:15,600 bit of information of any budget 1002 00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:17,970 interested about investigating strange 1003 00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,500 how does gold your water divining 1004 00:45:33,790 --> 00:45:32,480 tonight yeah it's very interesting did 1005 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:33,800 you come close to finding the water in 1006 00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:36,910 the bottle no not in the blind test no 1007 00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:40,160 well I never sera yes this is something 1008 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:41,660 might like to try at home for finding 1009 00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:44,450 things around the house yes yeah and 1010 00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:47,350 what I really want to know is how he 1011 00:45:53,950 --> 00:45:51,640 freaked up spawn been to school ah well 1012 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:53,960 Richard doesn't even tell me that but 1013 00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:57,890 well that's Arthur well Richard another 1014 00:46:01,330 --> 00:45:58,970 mother another mystery investigators 1015 00:46:02,620 --> 00:46:01,340 here we've got a lady there who was 1016 00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:02,630 doing the water divining who's 1017 00:46:06,310 --> 00:46:04,760 fascinated by your spoon trick and dr. 1018 00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:06,320 Reggie's trying to explain the spoon 1019 00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,900 trick to it good old uri geller a after 1020 00:46:12,220 --> 00:46:10,400 all these years that the stick is still 1021 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:12,230 working people love it was it also i 1022 00:46:15,460 --> 00:46:13,850 explain the spoon trick to it and was 1023 00:46:17,290 --> 00:46:15,470 completely wrong I thought I thought 1024 00:46:19,570 --> 00:46:17,300 there was a third spoon involved but 1025 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:19,580 that's not true at all oh no theres well 1026 00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,490 i like to use to and i can use one but 1027 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:24,800 yeah it's a good trick yeah it's not and 1028 00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:26,210 how did you go tonight i mean you worked 1029 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:27,920 you booked in some great fires in your 1030 00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:30,170 time and this of course was one of those 1031 00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:32,390 great foyers i mean where the band of 1032 00:46:35,830 --> 00:46:34,100 nails went down well we did about four 1033 00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:35,840 water divining tests we broke many 1034 00:46:39,340 --> 00:46:38,030 spoons so yeah good night I believe 1035 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:39,350 they're explaining in there the dangers 1036 00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:42,410 of liquid nitrogen in cocktails oh yes 1037 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:43,760 because recently some people were 1038 00:46:47,410 --> 00:46:45,530 actually hospitalized for that in a 1039 00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:47,420 South American country this is the 1040 00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:50,180 Darwin Awards listen no no it was a big 1041 00:46:53,830 --> 00:46:52,310 party it was like sponsored by a big 1042 00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:53,840 alcohol manufacturer and they poured 1043 00:46:58,780 --> 00:46:55,730 liquid nitrogen into the pool so that 1044 00:47:01,200 --> 00:46:58,790 there was a whole lot of nice yeah those 1045 00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:01,210 people got asphyxiated but also they put 1046 00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:04,340 dry ice into cocktails in a few years 1047 00:47:08,050 --> 00:47:06,230 and then and it hadn't dissolved 1048 00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:08,060 actually I think was liquid nitrogen 1049 00:47:11,110 --> 00:47:09,440 when all you really got to do is put in 1050 00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,120 look dry ice in cocktails dangerous 1051 00:47:16,270 --> 00:47:13,280 enough yeah yeah that liquid nitrogen is 1052 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:16,280 minus 193 degrees Celsius hmm we're as 1053 00:47:20,410 --> 00:47:18,290 dry ice is only minus 80 degrees in 1054 00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:20,420 either case it doesn't go with minors 1055 00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:22,520 with plus 37 degrees which is your core 1056 00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:24,350 temperature I'll be trying to get some 1057 00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:27,830 liquid boron in a cocktail for years now 1058 00:47:31,470 --> 00:47:30,470 unknown or sell it to me liquid boron 1059 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:31,480 for me 1060 00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:33,250 fan tell you you haven't had a cocktail 1061 00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:35,740 she held it with liquid boron and anyone 1062 00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:37,150 out there listening knows what I'm 1063 00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:39,100 talking about liquid nitrogen is purely 1064 00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:42,310 for you said that no damages okay well 1065 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:43,630 I'm a scientist we can talk about that 1066 00:47:50,609 --> 00:47:46,810 later now Rach you had two people come 1067 00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,619 up to jewelry show how water divining is 1068 00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:53,440 often the ideomotor effect who these 1069 00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:55,150 people claim that they could do water 1070 00:47:59,040 --> 00:47:57,609 divining yeah and it's the same story i 1071 00:48:00,840 --> 00:47:59,050 often get actually is that their father 1072 00:48:02,849 --> 00:48:00,850 did it on their property many years ago 1073 00:48:04,740 --> 00:48:02,859 and they've done it through their family 1074 00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:04,750 and that they looked for something and 1075 00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:07,660 they found it but it's commonly a story 1076 00:48:12,810 --> 00:48:10,390 of well i looked for some water by 1077 00:48:14,940 --> 00:48:12,820 dividing over some grass and I dug down 1078 00:48:17,849 --> 00:48:14,950 and found some water well I think in 1079 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:17,859 most cases in Australia if you dig under 1080 00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:20,290 the ground you'll find water and then 1081 00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:22,540 saying that quite vague things like him 1082 00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:24,910 I was looking for a trench in the earth 1083 00:48:29,370 --> 00:48:26,830 which i think is a crack in the earth 1084 00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,380 and I found a crack what I dare say 1085 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:30,880 there's probably a lot of cracks in the 1086 00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:33,609 earth as well yeah so did you have time 1087 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:35,880 to give them a quick lesson in geology 1088 00:48:40,859 --> 00:48:39,130 no I didn't actually and sometimes with 1089 00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:40,869 with people that I can disk this guy was 1090 00:48:43,770 --> 00:48:42,100 absolutely convinced and there's really 1091 00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:43,780 not much point so I really just the 1092 00:48:47,609 --> 00:48:45,880 older gentleman or they're the two older 1093 00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:47,619 gentleman one was from k PPD and 1094 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:49,180 wellness or somewhere else Beauty told 1095 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:53,890 me he did find faults in the ground yes 1096 00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:57,010 the same guy yeah well I found three 1097 00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:00,640 forts in the 730 report last week with 1098 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:02,710 the divining rod and I believe dr. hu 1099 00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:05,170 once found a five-star restaurant in a 1100 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:06,670 continent with only using a credit card 1101 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:10,450 in a Bic pen as is true without even a 1102 00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:13,450 phone or GPS I just found it in fact I 1103 00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:15,100 can find my way to a pub quite often too 1104 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:31,260 hey Kenny oh hi Tom I save this part 1105 00:49:37,410 --> 00:49:35,010 yeah yes great weather oh look a unicorn 1106 00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:37,420 unicorn there are no such things as 1107 00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:40,600 unicorns silly yes there is no there 1108 00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:42,790 isn't hey guys what are you arguing 1109 00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:45,030 about tom thinks unicorns are real 1110 00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:48,070 thanks so are let's look us up in the 1111 00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:51,160 skeptics dictionary the what how can we 1112 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:52,900 do this in this park there is the 1113 00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:54,610 computer here you guys probably don't 1114 00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:56,320 know about the skeptics dictionary app 1115 00:50:03,300 --> 00:49:59,380 available now for iPhone iPad and iPod 1116 00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:03,310 touch in the App Store Wow cool the app 1117 00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:04,870 lets you access all of the great 1118 00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:07,060 skeptics dictionary articles when you're 1119 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:09,670 on the go here let me look up unicorns 1120 00:50:14,910 --> 00:50:12,370 now cool Kenny prepare to be proven 1121 00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:14,920 wrong it says here the unicorn is a 1122 00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:19,060 creature from fables aha actually I see 1123 00:50:22,890 --> 00:50:20,320 now that someone just dumped their ice 1124 00:50:35,490 --> 00:50:22,900 cream cone on that horse's head thanks 1125 00:50:40,570 --> 00:50:37,960 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1126 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:40,580 zone and coming up next week another 1127 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:43,490 interview with Pamela gade from Maynard 1128 00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:46,010 now why Pamela gay was doing a special 1129 00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:48,350 skeptics in the pub only a few hours ago 1130 00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:50,900 may not found some time to sit down with 1131 00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:52,790 her and have a chat so that's coming up 1132 00:50:58,540 --> 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